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John Rex

Deane Road Cemetery

it is open day today from 12-4

here is a short film


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uo1aRFgTAyg

J.R.
MOJO

An interesting clip there,John! I visited the cemetery,some years ago, after finding it by chance,and it was pretty run down then,and easily accessible,which was the main cause of the problem,I think!
                                                                                     Good to see they have gained some lottery cash to renovate the site,especially as there are several graves of particular interest to Liverpool,the main one being of David Lewis,of Lewis's stores fame! When he died in 1885,he left £500,000 for the provision of hospitals,etc,including the late David Lewis theatre/hostel!
Alice

Never heard of this cemetery before but very interesting!
MOJO

As I was saying Alice,it was just by chance I drove past the entrance,which is rather odd,as it's in the middle of a terrace of houses,and you can look into the graveyard over the back walls!
                                                                                              It reminds me of another Jewish cemetery in Green lane,Tuebrook,which is closed up,and also in a pretty bad way! There are fully grown tree's growing out of the graves,so it must be some years since it was used!Strangely,to me,it's right next door to a church,St.Cecilia's??
Barbie

Alice wrote:
Never heard of this cemetery before but very interesting!


I've been passing it for years and had no idea til 2 years ago that it was there.

Looks like a good job done from the outside. I might be get to it next week, weather permitting.
brainbox

MOJO. I think the Green Lane one is council owned,the condition it is in is a disgrace and an insult to all buried there .

The current active Jewish Cemetery is alongside Broadgreen Hospital .
MOJO

Really? Well whoever owns it,should make some effort to something with it! It's obviously no longer visited,as the door is padlocked( I had a quick look inside,when this had been removed by someone!) so the place should be deconsecrated,or whatever the Jewish procedure might be?
                                                                                                   It seems strange that this hasn't already happened,as Liverpool council have a history of building on old cemetery sites!!!
brainbox

here is a bit more on it


http://synagoguescribes.com/blog/green-lane-cemetery-liverpool/

www.princesroad.org/cemeteries.htm
MOJO

Interesting sites,B.B.! Good that someone is attempting to record the burials there,but I can only wonder why it wasn't done before,as a matter of course?? Confused
John Rex

that green lane cemetery must be
so overgrown and neglected if it
has not been used for 60 years



J.R.
MOJO

John Rex wrote:
that green lane cemetery must be
so overgrown and neglected if it
has not been used for 60 years



J.R.


You could say that...there are fully grown tree's growing out of the graves!
Barbie

Cemetery on Green Lane! I've probably passed it a hundred times and ot known it was there!  Confused
MOJO

It's just to the right of the church,where the tree's are growing! There's no access,normally,and you could pass it without ever knowing what it used to be



Photo' courtesy of Spike.
Barbie

Thanks. I have walked past it many, many times!  Rolling Eyes
MOJO

This is the cemetery.



This is/was the doorway,now boarded up! Wonder if that means no one has any intentions of visiting,for any purpose?




Took a couple of shots,over the wall,and this is how overgrown it is,sad!



Barbie

I always wondered what that used to be. Thanks Mojo for the pics. Next time I pass, maybe tomorrow, I'll check it out.
brainbox

smashing photos there MOJO thanks for taking the time to get down there and for putting them up here ....That wall looks to me like at one time its been higher, what do you reckon.
MOJO

Thanks,all!
                 As I think I've already mentioned,I did get a look inside,a few years ago,as the padlock on the door had been forced off! You could see some of the gravestones,but they were all over the place,having been displaced by all the tree's you can see!The only sign of any maintenance I noticed is,the barbed wire along the walls, so I'm debating wether I am up for climbing the wall,on a return visit??? Shocked
                                                               As for the wall B.B. it does look like it was higher,at one time,and do you think there were possibly windows of some sort too,as the brickwork within those rectangles is different from the rest....maybe a funeral reception area,or even a synagogue??
MOJO

Looking around Green lane,there are quite a few Georgian houses,on one side,so there has obviously been some sort of community there,for a couple of hundred years,at least! I just wondered why it doesn't appear to have much history? (that I've come across,anyway!)  
                                                                           This path,down the side of the cemetery,leads to a piece of land being used for some new housing,and they've dug a trench for a water supply,and in doing so,have unearthed the original cobblestones,which are naturally shaped,(as opposed to manufactured square ones) so must be quite old! So, if there was a cobbled path/road...what was there before St.Cecilia's was built?(that's the church wall,you can just see on the left)



brainbox

nice bit of work there MOJO, I too think it has been quite a well to do area in the early to mid 19th Century and possibly earlier. Have you ever wandered up Tynwald Hill and its surroundings , cos there are some very impressive house along that way too.
MOJO

Yeh,I have,but not for a long time! That side of Green lane seems to have more history,than the other,with quite a few large houses with grounds, etc. I can only guess it was quite a desirable area,which probably faced onto what became,Newsham park,till the area was industrialised! It would have been under the control of West Derby,originally.
brainbox

Yes MOJO. its an area of Liverpool that doesn't appear to get too much coverage in Historical terms , it would be really good to try and get together a bit more information of people & places in times gone by around there.
MOJO

I couldn't find my original pic's of this,so I took some today,as I was passing! It's the old boundary marker of West Derby,before eventually being absorbed by Liverpoo,lon the corner of Belmont rd. and Rocky lane.....surprising it's still there!!



Barbie

Mojo, I am so aware of that in the wall and yet you know, I've never stopped to look at it, had no idea what was on it. Mind you I am always on the bus if I dopass that way. My nepheew and niece were christened in the church.
Thanks for the pic.
MOJO

....as you can see,it's a bit wonky now,but I remember it being straight,so I can only guess somebody had a go at removing it?
Barbie

Probably!  Rolling Eyes
brainbox

Good posts MOJO  [ excuse the Pun ! ]

I have noticed that Marker post myself whilst walking the Dog around there.
My thoughts are that it was probably the Paviours - Roadworkers who knocked it Skewiff whilst relaying the pavement....either ways it should be straightened again in my opinion.
MOJO

Thought I'd throw in a couple of the original St.Margaret's,which I don't remember,but a big church! The 2nd pic' is during it's demolition,after a fire!




Photo's courtesy of S.Poulson.
brainbox

Great pics MOJO.   It looks like the wall behind the Marker has been altered doesn't it
MOJO

Yeh,looks like it! You can just make out the plate,a bit further along,than it is now,or maybe the plate was moved? Looking at the pointing,on the modern pic',it seems fairly recent,and maybe the real reason why it was moved?
John Rex

excellent thread
i much prefer the original church building
why was it demolished ?
the structure still looked sound

J.R.
MOJO

John Rex wrote:
excellent thread
i much prefer the original church building
why was it demolished ?
the structure still looked sound

J.R.


Probably falling congregation,and growing maintenance costs! As I said,it was a big building,and who knows what these are for the newer church,as that has never appeared particularly busy?
Barbie

Wow Mojo, it was pretty magnificent wasn't it? I'd have knocked the one in Kenny down before that, I think the one in Kenny is sinister looking. I don't know its name.
MOJO

Talking of sinister,St. Margaret's was the church were the priest was murdered,about 10 years ago! He was killed by a druggie he'd been trying to help!
brainbox

MOJO, was the Priest killed in the Church or in the property next door ?

only asking cos I took a little walk around there myself a couple of days ago after reading this thread and there is still a Large house next door to the new Church at the Belmont Rd end which I was thinking maybe used to be the Vicarage ?. Its being refurbished at the Moment and now has a plaque at its top Gable saying  ' Lunt House 2008.' There is also a building at the other end of the Church in Rocky Lane which looks to me like it has been converted to residential use and I was thinking could this had been a School attached to the Church ?....I have a few pics I can put up later.

Barbie, the Church in Kensington is the Former Christ Church. Its congregation merged with St Cyprians Edge Lane some time ago, which has since also itself moved on, and that building is now also empty and deteriorating fast.  Following the Toxteth Riots when The Rialto was destroyed, Swainbanks took over the Empty Christ Church Building in Kensington as their Storage Depot for Furniture and Antique exports to U,S,A., etc.  Over the following Twenty Odd years they stripped the place bare and neglected to maintain it properly. They eventually moved out some time in the last Ten years to another warehouse in Fox street ,off Great Homer Street. In the last 7 or so years an African Religous group The Gilbert Deya Ministries have moved in , however because of the extremely poor condition of the Roof and interior they have installed a small Portacabin type structure within the Main body of the church for their religious use and the remainder has been left derelict. It will take Megabucks to restore that building now.
Barbie

I remember that murder murder Mojo. Was awful to think you try to help someone and end up killed by them.
Thanks for the info BB. Sounds like it's time to demolish it.
brainbox

Here's my long range shot of the Church as it is today, and the refurbished adjacent Victorian style building. ..now called Lunt Hall





Here is Lunt Hall from Belmont Rd, currently undergoing refurbishment....wonder what its former use was.




here is the other side of the church in Rocky Lane now called Rockfield house...I was wondering was this formerly St Margaret's School ?


Barbie

It was, I quote:St Margaret's C of E High School For Boys vacated after the school moved from Anfield to Aigburth in 1963. The old school, in Belmont Road, is presently being renovated....

Great pics BB! I love the old scholl building, really love it, I'm so pleased it is being done up.  Smile
brainbox

Thanks Barbie,, any info on the building in Rocky Lane  ?
Barbie

THISis what it is now but not found its history yet.
brainbox

Thanks for that Barbie, I'm glad its being put to such good use as a benefit to the local community.
Barbie

I can tell you, and I quote; The present St. Margaret's church was opened in 1965 and replaces a building of 1875 which was destroyed by fire.
Barbie

Just found this also. HERE
MOJO

Ha, B.B. I was up there myself,after noticing the renovation going on! I'm not sure,but I think the vicar's house is around the other side,and quite modern!
            Regarding the vicar, who was stabbed to death,in 1996(it doesn't seem that long ago) he was  Cristopher Gray,32,who'd befriended his killer,Terence Storey,31,while a chaplain in Walton prison!



brainbox

Nice shots of The old School MOJO , I think I did see a single story modern style building  tacked on to the New Style church at the Rockfield house end.
I wonder were the Vicarage was for the original Church Building ?

Terrible Story about the Vicar, It would have been a nice gesture if the new owners could have called the refurbished School housebuilding Terance House  instead of Lunt Hall....just a thought

Barbie , great research , Thanks, its amazing what can be unearthed .....,,,Masons ?  Wow !
brainbox

O.K. I did a little bit of searching around today , and it appears there were originally Boys , Girls , and Infants departments in that School building on Belmont Rd, somewhere along the line the Girls were moved out to a new School building in Rocky Lane which I presume to be part of the Rockfield House building. Sometime later ,the infants were also relocated to another small school in Rocky lane probably another part of this Rockfield House development ,I think I did notice two separate blocks to the complex when I had a little look around last week. Barbie has found out this now all operates as a care in the community complex.

On the 2nd Pic from MOJO of St Margaret's Church under demolition , if you look closely to the right of it underneath the large crane, it looks like there is a separate building which I reckon may have been the Vicarage. .. not sure yet though






still looking for more info..
Barbie

Nice one BB!
MOJO

Interesting stuff B.B. as I don't remember the original church,itself! Looking at the furniture being skipped, in pic'2,you can see a couple of beds,so it looks like someone lived there?
                                                                       Do you remember the nunnery, a bit further along Belmont rd? The "Poor Clare's" was the name of the order,and the building closed sometime in th late 90's,and they retired to France!!
brainbox

Wow MOJO you've got good eyes,  he ! he !

I dont recall a Nunnery , would this have been by Belmont / Newsham General Hospital just along a bit from the Church ?....or somewhere else ?


EDIT :

Oh Sorry MOJO. just checked back I see you mean Pic .2 of your recent shots.   Embarassed  Embarassed
MOJO

I can't say I ever saw a nun,around there,but there was a little plaque on the door,saying what it was!
                                       It's changed a lot round there,recently,as after they demolished Belmont hospital,they built quite a large home for the elderly,on the site,but then,after only 10/12 years,they demolished that,and built the houses you can see now,just round the corner from the church! I think the company that ran the home,had financial problems,but still odd,I think!
brainbox

Thanks MOJO.  I have a found a few more pics of St Margarets and a section of an old street map of the area , I am just off for my tea but will paste them into here a little later, hopefully it will allow a bit more to be known of that particular spot.
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Exterior1890.

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Interior : 1890



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Exterior 1950 viewed along Belmont rd

what is the building before the Church......is it MOJOs Nunnery ?
Barbie

BB love them pics. The interior of the church 2nd photo, looks really spooky. It's fantastic.
brainbox

glad you like them Barbie , got a few more I will put up soon and a Street Map...... Spooky ?    Laughing  Laughing
Barbie

brainbox wrote:
glad you like them Barbie , got a few more I will put up soon and a Street Map...... Spooky ?    Laughing  Laughing

It is spooky, a bit eerie. Shocked
brainbox




This one is titled St Margarets,,,so what, and where was this building



. Here's the 1908 Street map that places a lot of the buildings








..is this one the new School relocated to Aighburth !

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Barbie

Looks like it had a gateway bricked up.
brainbox

it does Barbie yes . Can you place this building on the other photos ?
and do you reckon the newish school pic is of the relocated School that you found out about earlier in the thread.
Barbie

What year did the school move to Aigburth?
brainbox




This one is at the same junction as the Marker Post....you can see Newsham Park gates across the Rd. Its a Fire Alarm point. and there is a story I remember reading that goes with that picture, I will have to look for it
brainbox

Barbie wrote:
What year did the school move to Aigburth?


I don't know Barbie...I've only researched for pics, not got any history yet.
Barbie

brainbox wrote:
Barbie wrote:
What year did the school move to Aigburth?


I don't know Barbie...I've only researched for pics, not got any history yet.
I was wondering if the that newish building was in fact in Aigburth you see. My sister lives near it and it is familiar to me.
brainbox

Yes Barbie , thats what I was thinking, unless there is more than one St Margarets in Liverpool.
If you know the Road its in by your sister's you can have a little look on Google Streetview to you check it out.
Barbie



Its been done up a bit since i last saw it.
brainbox

that was quick service !. he ! he !

Do you reckon they are one and the same then , The B& W shot was down as 1969 so it would have had a fair bit of work done on it in over 40 years wouldn't it
Barbie

Yes, it is the same building in my opinion. Unless someone can prove me wrong!  Smile
brainbox

Bit of info to be getting on with....

 ..From Liverpool Schools...

St Margaret's  


...Boys in 1894; both girls and boys in 1900, boys only in 1911.  Caretaker then was Edward HAYHURST.  There was a Technical Instruction Centre too.   in the 1930s / 40s it was a "Central" School, open only to boys who passed the Liverpool Education Board's Junior City Scholarship (11+). The mandatory school coat was black with white piping along edges and a SMA badge on the breast pocket..  The school moved to Aigburth Rd, next to St Anne’s Church, in 1963.
Barbie

Great, thanks.  Smile

Errrm, this thread started out as a thread about Deane Cemetery, sorry John Rex for hijacking your thread.  Embarassed  Embarassed  Embarassed
It's all BB's fault, he's led me astray!  


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