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Scousemouse

Rocking Scousemouse From Begining to end

It was 1963 and i had just left school and started work in W.F.HOLLWAY in Grafton street,at sixteen i officially was to young to get in the Caven. While at Hollways i made a friend Steve,he was a year older than me and very world wise,soon although i wad supposed to be to young we stared going The lunch time sessions at the Cavern Steve introduced me to Bob Woller and that how i was aloud in to the club q22,we became regulars I dont know how we didn't get sacked but we didn't. Tthe first big night at the caven i went to was GoodFriday April 12 1963 the Beatles headed a eight hour Rhythem and Blues Marathon, after the Beatles came off stage they went stright to the bar,Steve and i went to the bar a little later bob Woller was there talking to John Lennon he introduced Steve and i the first words out of Johns mouth to me was"artnt you a bit young to be here , i could feel my face going crimson John said its ok wack i wont tell the rozzers, that was the first time i met him stright off i liked him i met him again many years later and he still remembered my name he was a really down to earth man , we got home about Two in the morning Mum and Dad Knew where i was but that didnt stop me being Grounded grounded at 16 q9 My grounding lasted three days, i wouldnt say my parents were strict but i had to promis to be home at the latest midnight, my Dad wasn't as strict.as Mum I remember him saying to her that I needed to sow my wild oats she replied that I should take up farming she was very dry was mum.

Steven I were now Cavan regulars, we didn't have much money I think my wages where 18 shillings a week mind you a pint was six old pence about 2 1/2 new pence, I Had Piano lessons from when i was about seven so i could read and play music when we didnt have the money for the caven we both had old acustic guitars so we used to yake turns to go to each others houses and have jam sessions.

On our regular visits to the Caven we started knocking around with two other guys Mike And Terry they also played as did most people in Liverpool did in thouse days .

After a couple of months i think is was Terry , who played drums said why dont we start playing for money which was greated with utter silance from the rest of us.

After the shock died down we thought hey thats not a bad idea, so next week end off to hessys we did go thats were i met another Liverpool ledgened Jim Gretty he was employed by Frank Hessy to sell Instruments he did other things also, he was big in the music industry in that time he came up with the idea to Frank that. every guitar he sold he would give free lessons .

So i bought my first electric guitar a Texon Tucsedo it was a solid bright red with chrome face plates it cost me £5 deposit and ten shillings a week which was a fortune then

Now we had our instruments and tutition from Jim every thing looked. rosey as we thought, we soon lernt it wasnt a matter of buying instruments playing them and waiting for the money to roll in.

After a few half harted atempts of advertizing our selves to promoters Mike and Terry who now both had girl friends decided to pack it in i can tell you having girlfriends and doing gigs do not mix.

After Mike and Terry departed Steve and I consentreted on our work At Hollways our jobs were interesting we learnt all about timber how to distingwish different woods which woods to use in certain aplications .

We had stoped going too the Caven as much, we spread ourselves out using other club the Blue Angel the iron door ext

It Was now 1966 i was Ninteen we still had our guitars and ocasonaly played them at home the music we played was all hippie Rolling Stones. Beatles that kind of thing i didnt know it then but that was to change

New Years eve 1967 will go down as Steve and I discover Girls, I met Pam who had a friend Janet,as the saying goes i was head over heals with Pam as Steve was with Janet. As we got to know the girls better over the next year we gradualy changed from Hippies to metal heads Led Zepplin was up and coming we liked Jimy Hendrix although not clased as metal Nazareth ,

and a band from Cardiff called hill Contempory Glass better known as Budgie , also elf these where the early years of metal

and my formative years in the type of music i came to adore something about Metal turnd me on i think its just the noise the complet power over an audiance that tupe of music has.

You might think that now both having girl friends would have driven a wedge between Steve and i but it didnt it seemed to draw us closer the girls being friends probobly helped

We set our sights on being a heavy metal band influenced heavily by the girls back to jim Gretty we go in the hope he could give us some tips this is where we lernt what hammer ons String bending ext ment he showed what magic a foot pedle brings to your playing After six months of this he said that all i can teach you, i thought he was being unfair but now i know in music you can teach someone but the time comes when they need to go out one their own yo develope their style so away we went we still needed drumer and base and keyboard .

1968 dawned and still we needed more members Jim Gretty rang me the begining of March and told me he knew of a drummer and keyboard player who were free, We met them in the kardoma the bottom of stanly street Kevin the drummer and Brian keyboard from There we went to the Grapes in Mathew Street for One Pint we ended up being kicked out at 2am.

Next day was a Saturday i awoke at about ten sat up and GOD MY HEAD FELT LIKE IT HAD BEEN HIT WITH. BRICK,

never have i ever had a hangover so bad before or since I put it down to the Magretas and Barly wine we had drank.

I got up looked at my Breakfast ug then went round to Steves Kevin and Brian were already there set up so down to buisness the first song we ever played together was free bird one of my favs and i knew stright away we had a band yippie.

Our first few gigs where at local pubs then we branched out but never to far away as Steve and i were still working during the day, we would be picked up by Brian in the van and go stright to the gig so the venue had to be within a certain distance so we could set up ready for a Nine oclock start .

After doing this for two months it was starting to tell we hardly saw the girls and the tiedness was unbeleavable ,we all desided to just play at week ends although this didnt go down to well with Brian or Kevin as they wanted to go full time .

We where still not traveling very far to gigs i think Birmingham was the furthest we ever went after six months. of this we were so tiered we could sleep standing up, we knew we couldnt go on like this every time i ment Pam we would argue over such silly things something had to give it was our relasion ship, I wish oh so much i could go back in time and change things I didnt realise how much i loved her as the saying you dont value anything till you lose it .

After this i was no longer interested in bands music all i wanted was to go back and change things , i gave up the band steve stayed with them for a while then he gave up, i was so depressed i left Hollways and started at Plessys i never saw Pam again then lost track of Steve .

That was the end of my musical foray everone thinks the Music industry is one big party let me tell you it isnt you give it everything and it gives you nothing back its also full of crooks, i often wounder if thing had been different if i had given it up sooner would i still Have Pam?
I was to have other girl frinds but none had  the magic that Pam had
Barbie

Excellent SM. Can't wait to read the rest of this. It's a great piece of personal history for you! Any photo's? Maybe you don't want to share, which, I'd understand, but if you do, it would be great to see them.
Scousemouse

Barbie wrote:
Excellent SM. Can't wait to read the rest of this. It's a great piece of personal history for you! Any photo's? Maybe you don't want to share, which, I'd understand, but if you do, it would be great to see them.

ekk no long hair tight leather jeans i remember buying my first leather and draging it around at the back of a moter bike to make it look lived in q44
Barbie

SM.....I wore a fringed biker leather, ripped jeans, no zip, had a shoe lace instead, wore a denim cut down over the leather. I had dyed black freaked out hair (to achieve that look, I put up to about 40 small plaits in my hair while it was wet and slept with them only taking them out just before going out tot he biker pubs) I had very punky looking make up and my leather smelled of welly oil. So, photo's.....they wont shock me!  Cool
Scousemouse

Barbie wrote:
SM.....I wore a fringed biker leather, ripped jeans, no zip, had a shoe lace instead, wore a denim cut down over the leather. I had dyed black freaked out hair (to achieve that look, I put up to about 40 small plaits in my hair while it was wet and slept with them only taking them out just before going out tot he biker pubs) I had very punky looking make up and my leather smelled of welly oil. So, photo's.....they wont shock me!  Cool

i will try and find some and pluck up the courage to post them .i have a feeling my ex destroyed most of them but i  willlook
Barbie

Cool!  Cool

Logging off now, nighty nighty.
brainbox

Brilliant recollections Scousemouse, I enjoyed hearing of your personal experiences of the start of your working life and encounters with the Fab Four....I've got my popcorn & fizzy drink at the ready for the next installment... Great Stuff !
Barbie

What? No chocolate?
brainbox

Barbie wrote:
What? No chocolate?





Wink
Barbie

q12
Alice

Really enjoying your story Scousemouse!  Looking forward to the next installment.

What did F.W. Hollway do, never heard of them?
MOJO

Interesting stuff SM! q19
Scousemouse

Alice wrote:
Really enjoying your story Scousemouse!  Looking forward to the next installment.

What did F.W. Hollway do, never heard of them?

W f Hollway were timber merchants their address was 42 Grafton Street next to the Royal Southern Hospital
brainbox

I love all this detail  Rocker man  Smile
Great !
Hollway's were listed as having a sawmill at adjacent Caryl Street too, was this all the one building stretching the full length of that part of Hill Street ?
Scousemouse

brainbox wrote:
I love all this detail  Rocker man  Smile
Great !
Hollway's were listed as having a sawmill at adjacent Caryl Street too, was this all the one building stretching the full length of that part of Hill Street ?

it was yes  but it wasnt in Hill Street, the Royal Suthern Hospital was .it had premises both sides of Grafton Street ,on one side of Grafton Street it covered from The southen hos to Stanhope street and Along Caryl Street  to the southerns main entrance for Info The Grapes in the Higson bld and the angel in Stanhope where our local wartering holes q38
I cant for the life of me remeber what was on the other side of Grafton after Hollways, on the opposit side of Caryl Street was Clares oils my recolection are firly dim n ow as it was fifty years ago OMG that long
A little more info The sawdust wood shavings ect was carried out of the mill by an extractor system in to a building underneath was a large articulated trailer
which when full was replaced by an empty one .they where collected by a Wirral farm, the cyclone at thetop of this system was forever blocking and we used to have to climb up and unblock it.yhe climb was up the scafolding which was about sixty foot no health and safty then q51
Lizzie

Oh how interesting..look forward to hearing more...Rock On..... q15
brainbox

Wow !. That was a big company sited there then Scousemouse, thanks I love info on long gone places and buildings.
That area appears to have at one time been a very very busy part of the city indeed, especially as The hospital was right there too. ...Walking or driving around there now you would have no idea as to what it used to be like in the not too distant past, ...at least the two pubs buildings are still standing and hopefully will play a part in the propsed regeneration of that part of L8.
Scousemouse

Also Between Hollways and Stanhope Street there was a School forgot about that it was right on the corner opp the grapes pub
brainbox

Scousemouse , after one of your long into the night Rock gigs did you ever have to ring this number the following morning ?

Royal 5315

Wink
Barbie

Brilliant mate. Thanks for taking the time to write all that. I wont put my life story up, by the time you get to page 2 you'll be asleep....zzzzzzzzz......... q35
Scousemouse

Barbie wrote:
Brilliant mate. Thanks for taking the time to write all that. I wont put my life story up, by the time you get to page 2 you'll be asleep....zzzzzzzzz......... q35

I told you youed be bored
Barbie

Scousemouse wrote:
Barbie wrote:
Brilliant mate. Thanks for taking the time to write all that. I wont put my life story up, by the time you get to page 2 you'll be asleep....zzzzzzzzz......... q35

I told you youed be bored

Yes, you did, but was I? NO!!!!!! As I just said, Brilliant! Loved it.  Cool

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