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Barbie

Save the Bombed Out Church

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ne...000-6871217#.UzCFjvWIHvI.facebook
brainbox

Yeah, I have been following this over the past couple of days Barbie..... No way does that Church want to be put into Private Developers Hands, it is a Shell of a church cos its a Memorial to the War Dead... The Urban Strawberry Lunch group are using it in a respectable manner and not altering it.  Joe Anderson  seems to think he personally owns the building  ,, here is the quote from that article,,,, " He said: “Let's be clear, I am not selling the church to become flats or houses. I am willing to look at a proposal with an open mind and make a judgement based on the offer.

Note the I'Am's I have highlighted .....He needs to look at himself and realise this City and its heritage belongs to the People of this City and not J. Anderson PLC.
Barbie

It was said he was offering it for £1. Bastard!  Twisted Evil Liverpool will lose something that can never, ever be replaced. It's a disgrace. It's disrespectful. It's OURS!!!!!!
MOJO

Is someone just being pedantic here???
                                                             He, Joe Anderson, has made it abundantly clear, that He has an open mind on how best to preserve St.Lukes,as He has a minor problem of finding savings of 150 million, over the next few years, and He know's they (the council) won't be able to fund it's upkeep, along with other buildings and services, and also the livelihoods of council workers, who's job's will go! Given a choice between buildings, old or new, or peoples jobs, I'm sorry, it's no competition, sad though it may be!
                                                       I think you're being unfair to continually slag off the best council leader we've had, in many years (do you think Derek Hatton and his gang, would give a toss, about St.Luke's..... behave!!!)  and anyone in his situation, would appear unpopular, when having to deal with the cities current financial situation!  

(From someone who's never voted labour, by the way!)
Barbie

We are all entitled to our opinion Mojo. I appreciate you sharing yours with me.
Now as I've just read that the Futurist is set to be demolished, I feel even more peed off.
I don't think I'm Pedantic as you say, I'm not over excessive about every tiny detail. I'm responding to the fact that the city is about to lose 2 wonderful buildings, and I am angry and sad over that fact. I don't see how that makes me pedantic.
Wont you be sad to think that there is yet more of our beloved building about to be erased?
It is not unfair to 'slag' Joe off as you say. It's called freedom to support, or not, who you choose to.
This is from someone who has never, and will never, vote for the Tories.
Telling me to behave re Derek Hatton, I'm sorry, you will have to help me out here, I don't recall mentioning him.

Thank goodness we all live in a country where you are free to express yourself.
Smile
brainbox

Ta for your unput and explanations on how you view this one MOJO. I see the points you are making and understand fully the impact and restrains on Public Spending imposed on Local Authorities since the present Consrvative /Lib Dem  Government began reducing the Annual Funding available.
Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions, and so that should be the case too..I Always take decisions taken by any of our Councils to balance their books, whatever colour of their flags, entirely on each of its individual  Merits,case by case, and form my opinion on that basis. One example of the decisions taken by Joe Anderson and the present Council that I entirely agreed with and I praised here in the relevant thread was the stance on the Cruisliner Terrminal. The results from this decision will hopefully benefit the City & region for Decades to come... Having said that I also feel strongly about removing from Council ownership, Buildings and Land that are irreplaceable and of Historical Interest to us all. This current Dire position that we are in at present will sometime eventually be gone and More funding will be once again available, but once our Heritage has been syphoned off it wont be coming back to public ownership  meaning we and future generations will be denied the pleasures and emotional attachments tied to ,and bound up within these Priceless Public Treasures, once their status has been altered  .That descriptive word 'Priceless' is the all inportant word that in my opinion  should be the main point held up high whenever Budjet cuts bring into consideration their particular relevance. They should not be brought into the equation of Economic cuts, They should have no Price Tag, They should not be for Sale , nor handed over to Private Commercially orientated organisations.
Barbie

THE FUTURIST CINEMA SET TO BE DEMOLISHED

Joe Anderson, Mayor of Liverpool has stated that The former Futurist cinema on Lime Street has deteriorated to such a degree, that it will have to be demolished. Even the façade can't be saved with any great ease.

He said that it is "riddled with asbestos and has deteriorated so much we will have to knock it down, there is no other way".

It is reported that the cost of saving the building would be up to £14m.


Why has it been allowed to get into that state in the first place? Lime Street has been left to rot and look a disgrace for many years and now this is the price.
Look out Adelphi....you might be next!
Lizzie

Noooooooo..they have to keep the church.....we used to sit on the steps and eat our kebabs after falling out of the Cabin...... Laughing

Nothing else for it I will have to come up and handcuff myself to the doors in protest..... Wink


Seriously though I hope they can save it....its such a famous landmark I would be heart broken to see it go
Barbie

Well, if yo are going to do that Lizzie, let me know, I'll be up there with my camera.... Laughing
brainbox

Barbie wrote:
Well, if yo are going to do that Lizzie, let me know, I'll be up there with my camera.... Laughing


...And Lizzie I will be up there with the Handcuffs,,, I have a Spare pair you can borrow    Embarassed
Razz
Barbie

Shocked  Shocked
MOJO

Barbie wrote:
THE FUTURIST CINEMA SET TO BE DEMOLISHED

Joe Anderson, Mayor of Liverpool has stated that The former Futurist cinema on Lime Street has deteriorated to such a degree, that it will have to be demolished. Even the façade can't be saved with any great ease.

He said that it is "riddled with asbestos and has deteriorated so much we will have to knock it down, there is no other way".

It is reported that the cost of saving the building would be up to £14m.


Why has it been allowed to get into that state in the first place? Lime Street has been left to rot and look a disgrace for many years and now this is the price.
Look out Adelphi....you might be next!



Like many other derelict buildings, they are privately owned, and usually, unless they become dangerous, they can be left to rot, as has been the case, across Liverpool!
                               The same article states that the "Adelphi" is included in the renovation plan for Lime st. for which there is funding available, but it's owners, Brittania hotels, haven't even bothered to reply! They, are are the people responsible for the current run-down state of the hotel,and can't even be bothered swilling the ale/vomit stains off their steps!! An example of how things don't work, unless you wave a big stick!!
MOJO

Barbie wrote:
We are all entitled to our opinion Mojo. I appreciate you sharing yours with me.
Now as I've just read that the Futurist is set to be demolished, I feel even more peed off.
I don't think I'm Pedantic as you say, I'm not over excessive about every tiny detail. I'm responding to the fact that the city is about to lose 2 wonderful buildings, and I am angry and sad over that fact. I don't see how that makes me pedantic.
Wont you be sad to think that there is yet more of our beloved building about to be erased?
It is not unfair to 'slag' Joe off as you say. It's called freedom to support, or not, who you choose to.
This is from someone who has never, and will never, vote for the Tories.
Telling me to behave re Derek Hatton, I'm sorry, you will have to help me out here, I don't recall mentioning him.

Thank goodness we all live in a country where you are free to express yourself.
Smile


I've grown up in this city, in an era of almost continuous decline,(which had  begun, well  before I was born!) and got used to the almost perpetual criticisms of it, and it's people, by outsiders over the years, some justified, some not!  But, now, we finally seem to be getting our act together, in spite of the recession, etc, and what do we do? start slagging off the people who are responsible (at least in part) of creating a city that's got a future, because of their efforts!?
                                   When Labour took control of the council, I thought, here we go again, strikes, political in-fighting,back to the days of "Militant", etc, and I certainly didn't like the look of Joe Anderson! But,
 it was great to be proved absolutely wrong, and I've been impressed with what they've managed to achieve, in a relatively short time, though like B.B.,I couldn't forgive him for getting his picture taken so often, or being definitive, and referring to himself as "I"!!!(no, I'm not pedantic!)

As for mentioning Militant, it was only  to compare administrations, maybe you remember what they did to our heritage in Harthill gardens? demolished them, mainly out of spite, because some people expressed themselves...... in an anti-Hatton way!
Barbie

Saved? I hope so.....

More than 22,000 people have signed an online petition to preserve the church in its current state.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-26733487
brainbox

From The 'Save The Futurist action Group...
December 2013

 "Today I had a very interesting meeting with one of Liverpool’s leading Architectural practices & planning specialist sharethecity.org
All thanks to the fantastic support & publicity from the Liverpool echo.
Were moving forward on developing our vision to save the facade of the Futurist as part of the new Lime Street gateway .

Futurist campaigners have been involved in meetings with Councillor Nick Small & other key councillors from the cabinet office to discuss our savethefuturist campaign & its role within next years IFB (International Festival of Business) hosted here in our great city in summer 2014.

We are delighted to announce that talks are underway to clean up the Lime Street gateway ahead of this event, showcasing the façade of the Futurist as the main key focal point. That means the weeds, trees and other plants growing out of it will be removed, windows will be fixed and the façade is set to be illuminated!

This couldn’t be better news for our campaign as it goes a long way towards showing Neptune Developments how amazing it can look as well as highlighting the buildings historic significance within Liverpool. Hopefully we can make them see its more in there interest to keep it than destroy it?! "


It all looked so promising..
..Apparently ,Liverpool City Council thinking has turned around since Christmas,,,, Evil or Very Mad
MOJO

Barbie wrote:
Saved? I hope so.....

More than 22,000 people have signed an online petition to preserve the church in its current state.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-26733487


...so if they all put their money where their mouths are...sorted!
                                                                                        I'd be happy to make a contribution towards St.Luke's, but finding the stated £14 million to save the "Futurist, just isn't going to happen, but there are plans for the former A.B.C. cinema, over the road.
Barbie

MOJO wrote:
Barbie wrote:
Saved? I hope so.....

More than 22,000 people have signed an online petition to preserve the church in its current state.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-26733487


...so if they all put their money where their mouths are...sorted!
                                                                                        I'd be happy to make a contribution towards St.Luke's, but finding the stated £14 million to save the "Futurist, just isn't going to happen, but there are plans for the former A.B.C. cinema, over the road.
IF being the reason I said saved? question mark included.
I still have doubts. Joe, and of course I could well be wrong and hope I am, could fear his street cred going down the pan with the people of Liverpool. For all we know, it could just be a publicity stunt, and he could well turn around and say, Sorry people, I tried, I really tried, but there is no saving it.....even though he has full intention of destroying it. So, he will get his way and keep his street cred.
As I said, I hope I am wrong and just being cynical, but, me, I trust nobody!
The Futurist, how ironic that name is, was allowed to get into that state by Joe's predecessors (Can't think how many) and they should be ashamed of themselves. Not only has it kept Lime Street looking a bloody mess for years unnecessarily  but now it's doomed to the bulldozers.
Alice

It should have been made a war memorial and then perhaps it would have been protected.

There must have been many churches that were bombed during the war, in this country, that have long been demolished.
Barbie

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ne...hurch-liverpool-developer-6884131

One has to take on board that the idea is a way of keeping the building going, but also take on board the echo reader's comments below the article.
brainbox

He we go ,the truth is coming out, A Memorial to the people who died in the Blitz in this city during WW2 is having plans drawn up to turn it into a 'Theme Wedding Hotel by the same organization who are turning The White Star Line building into a Titanic Theme hotel, yes thats the Titanic that sunk with the loss of more than 1500 lives.
Joe Anderson said that if a suitable proposal for the upkeep of this building was not forthcoming then the Council would continue to fund its upkeep... Well this most certainly is not a suitable proposale, not in a Million years. That Church interior needs to remain as it is i.e. a Memorial garden for use by the Community,,, Urban Strawberry Lunch, the current occupiers of the building are providing that service on an absolute shoestring.... Backing for their plans and funding from The city council is what is required... Keep away from our War Memorials all Commercial organisations  look elswhere.to invest your cash.
Barbie

I said this morning I was cynical over the so called 'u-turn'
He, Joe, is selling it off......as I said, his intention is to do it and try not to look a b'stard in the process.

A hotel....just what the city needs.....not.
brainbox

I had occasion to go into Town this afternoon, and guess what ?  Uncle Joe's main two hang outs are having loadsa cash spent on them..Scaffolding is up on Municipal Buildings and the Town hall too..Excellent ! , they are important edifices...Money has been found for those buildings aint it,,,,Cant have Joe slumming it now can we.  Evil or Very Mad
Barbie

And this is the man who told me to cough up £20 for a blue bin that was lost by his bin men! Or maybe taken by someone else but as it had never surfaced again, I rather think the binnys has 'misplaced' it. Cheeky, couldn't care less attitude!
MOJO

brainbox wrote:
I had occasion to go into Town this afternoon, and guess what ?  Uncle Joe's main two hang outs are having loadsa cash spent on them..Scaffolding is up on Municipal Buildings and the Town hall too..Excellent ! , they are important edifices...Money has been found for those buildings aint it,,,,Cant have Joe slumming it now can we.  Evil or Very Mad


Sorry Barbie, municipal buildings no longer belongs to the council...it was sold! The town hall is Our's!
Barbie

Wrong person.... Laughing  but thanks for the info.

I'm personally happy to see money being used on the town hall, so long a it isn't for stupid things.
brainbox

MOJO wrote:
brainbox wrote:
I had occasion to go into Town this afternoon, and guess what ?  Uncle Joe's main two hang outs are having loadsa cash spent on them..Scaffolding is up on Municipal Buildings and the Town hall too..Excellent ! , they are important edifices...Money has been found for those buildings aint it,,,,Cant have Joe slumming it now can we.  Evil or Very Mad


Sorry Barbie, municipal buildings no longer belongs to the council...it was sold! The town hall is Our's!


....It was actually me that made that post MOJO..
I must say it surprises me to hear Municipal Buildings has been sold Off, can you tell me when that was ?
I know the Municipal Annex ,a couple of blocks further along Dale St was sold off for yet another Hotel development, but not heard of the same of Municipal Buildings themselves. The ground floor is the Council One Stop Shop centre and all Manner of council departments operate out of the rest of the building.....is it leased back to the Council ? or where you thinking of the Annex after all ?
With the purchase of the Cunard Building for £10 Million, lots of departments will move there but I think they are mainly the ones from Millenium House in Victoria St and Liverpool Vision from Old Hall St. It is reckoned £1.3 Million per year will be saved by these relocations and that the deal will see The Bill for the Cunard paid off within 10 years.  I heard Joe Anderson is to have his office in the Cunard and heard rumours he has Baggsied the Sumptious Cunard Boardroom as his own Den,,,,,but I cant comfirm this, as they are but rumours.
Barbie

I'm alright Jack....
MOJO

brainbox wrote:
MOJO wrote:
brainbox wrote:
I had occasion to go into Town this afternoon, and guess what ?  Uncle Joe's main two hang outs are having loadsa cash spent on them..Scaffolding is up on Municipal Buildings and the Town hall too..Excellent ! , they are important edifices...Money has been found for those buildings aint it,,,,Cant have Joe slumming it now can we.  Evil or Very Mad


Sorry Barbie, municipal buildings no longer belongs to the council...it was sold! The town hall is Our's!


....It was actually me that made that post MOJO..
I must say it surprises me to hear Municipal Buildings has been sold Off, can you tell me when that was ?
I know the Municipal Annex ,a couple of blocks further along Dale St was sold off for yet another Hotel development, but not heard of the same of Municipal Buildings themselves. The ground floor is the Council One Stop Shop centre and all Manner of council departments operate out of the rest of the building.....is it leased back to the Council ? or where you thinking of the Annex after all ?
With the purchase of the Cunard Building for £10 Million, lots of departments will move there but I think they are mainly the ones from Millenium House in Victoria St and Liverpool Vision from Old Hall St. It is reckoned £1.3 Million per year will be saved by these relocations and that the deal will see The Bill for the Cunard paid off within 10 years.  I heard Joe Anderson is to have his office in the Cunard and heard rumours he has Baggsied the Sumptious Cunard Boardroom as his own Den,,,,,but I cant comfirm this, as they are but rumours.


You are right B.B.my mistake, and sorry Barbie! I confused the buildings, with the annexe, and some council offices will be moving into there, from Millenium house, which is probably why the scaffolding is up! Embarassed
MOJO

An urgent meeting with Joe, and the "Save the Futurist" is planned, after they heard the news it wouldn't be saved! Led by Lesley Mullally, the group raised a petition of 1,600, (which I think some on here might have signed),but even though he agreed to meet them, he warned that costly renovation wasn't possible!
                                      The proposed plan, now, is to save the façade, and incorporate it into the other planned newbuild, if it's financially viable, and input from local design agencies, might enable this!
brainbox

I do hope the Facade is saved MOJO,  The figure quoted of £14 million for its renovation is just laughable, Im sure the whole development of the complete block could be carried out for that sort of money,,,That figure appears to have been chucked in to mislead opponents of the demolition proposals.

Interestingly, Signature living who Joe Anderson is discussing handing over St Lukes War Memorial to ,and give planning for a Wedding themed Hotel, are also involved with him, by way of their proposals for  buying Millenium house for another of their ventures......

http://www.baytvliverpool.com/vod/index.php?vid=LBV53346ee2be4d6

I wonder what would happen to St Lukes if the strongly objected proposals go ahead and, God Forbid, Signature Living go Bust  sometime in the future ?   would it become an empty unused building no longer accessible to people of this City, many of whom have relatives who were killed in the Blitz.
Barbie

Mojo, that would make sense and would be a compromise to save the façade, just like that building I took photos of in Seel Street (I think it was)
I am annoyed at past councils who did nothing and  allowed it to become so poor in condition that it would take probably far too much money than we can now afford.

Beeb, you are correct with what you say, in my opinion. Should that company go bust then it could lie there for years instead of being a public place. Lots of people enjoy sitting there in the summer reading the paper or just taking in the sunshine.

It's a poor show....  Sad
MOJO

St. Luke's is a great space to be used, but it needs managing!
                                                                            If you've ever attended any of the various events there, or even just had a walk around, you would probably be aware of what it is used for, by some!! I've come across syringes, assorted beer bottles, and seen it used as a toilet by the local(?) smackheads and alcy's......even for a c**P, with the type of behaviour, and attitude, you might expect!!!
                                                                           As usual, it only takes a few, to spoil it for the majority!
Barbie

Source: Future Liverpool, facebook

Further update on St. Luke's. Unfortunately it's sad for USL, and for Liverpool. On the bright side, Ambrose is staying on to fight.
Bombed Out Church‎Keep USL going

A personal letter from Ambrose Reynolds to funders and friends
7th April 2014

It is with great regret I write to inform you that after 27 years Urban Strawberry Lunch is to split up as a band and to cease as a charitable foundation.

Since 1987 USL 's work in musical education among groups with little or no access to traditional instruments has taken us throughout the UK and around the world.

Since 2007 our other main aim has been to transform St Lukes's church ("the bombed out church") from a locked and isolated ruin into a welcoming city centre venue used by groups from The Kooks to Yoko Ono, as well as an active hub for 250,000 visitors from all over the world.

Mayor Joe Anderson has stated that the city can no longer afford to pay for the maintenance of St Luke’s and is looking into other ways to pay for repairs for their building. He has recently aborted the idea of developing the grade II listed church as a boutique hotel and wedding venue, due to public concerns.

This clearly indicates that the future of St Luke's as an affordable, universally available amenity is uncertain.

Therefore, from this week I shall assume sole responsibility for the operation of St Luke's as a venue. A plan for its future is underway and I shall welcome the opportunity to discuss any ideas with you.

This transition is complicated and may be difficult but I need to keep faith with all the people who have supported St Luke's in the past and who have bookings for the venue to the end of the year.

Yours sincerely

Ambrose Reynolds

Email bro@wavingcat.com
Telephone 0771 432 8415
MOJO

That sounds promising, now if only some, of those signatory's to the petition could contribute financially? Maybe a fundraiser could be initiated, as I'm sure many would contribute, even ex-pats!!
brainbox

Thanks for that update Barbie.
If its true that the  Boutique Hotel  plan has been scrapped then, in my personal opinion, that is excellent news.
Last year I visited St Lukes during the Heritage week, and Ambrose was conducting the tours. The Church is a fantastic walled open space and gardens and Ambrose simply enthuses enthusiasm for his desire to make it more accessible and free to visit and be admired to ALL people in Liverpool and visitors alike.
Dont let the posh sounding name put anyone off cos he is a born & bred Scouser through and through, was once a member of Frankie Goes to Holiwood when they first formed and used to play in the grounds of St Lukes when he was a little kid.
Provided With adequate funding, This is the man to take things forward and secure the Church for public use and who respects its position as a famous memory to those who died in this City during the Blitz of WW2..
I listened to him last friday on BBC Radio Merseyside and he is currently in the process of setting up a public funded  Donation Scheme aimed at saving the Church
Dont take my word for it  about the suitability and passion of this fella, take a listen to Ambrose from a couple of years ago,and decide yourself, if you agree ,then , as MOJO says, dig deep and Suport The Save St Lukes Fund

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTaCB9j1YNc
MOJO

Maybe F.G.T.H. could reform for a gig! Wink


"Frankie Says, Save St. Luke's"   q56
brainbox

Its all here  , view the Vids and latest updates plus Petition

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/peti...he-bombed-out-church-in-liverpool
brainbox

A Council meeting today is to discuss this issuer, They now know the strong feelings of affection for this building, so they better not fudge the issue.
Barbie

I'll be waiting...... q53
brainbox

This was the Motion put forward to today's Cabinet Meeting, I dont know yet the outcome of the vote.

St Luke's Church, Leece Street, Liverpool 1 by Councillor Richard Kemp, CBE


Council notes with concern the confusion about the future of St Luke's Church, Leece Street, Liverpool 1.

It places on record it's view that the building should be retained in council ownership but managed by a new non-profit making trust established with the aims of.....
      Keeping intact the heritage and culture of the Church particularly in so far as it's commemoration of the civilians killed in WWII bombings and those Irish people who died after famines whilst trying to seek a new life in the New World.
·      Applying for grants to enable the stabilisation and continued upkeep of the building
·      Run appropriate activities in the building which would provide an income towards running costs but respect the building's heritage.

Council requests the Cabinet Member for Regeneration to report urgently to the Regeneration Select Committee and the Cabinet about the implications of this motion with a view to its early implementation.
Barbie

I'm waiting.....
brainbox

Here is a little collection of some very interesting recently debated points..

http://richardkemp.wordpress.com/...g-st-lukes-the-bombed-out-church/

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