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Barbie

Then and now

A new thread specially for the thens and nows.


100a Picton Road, Wavertree, 1910s and 2014




Woolton Village....no date for first pic,


Pye Street, Wavertree, 1934 and 2014
Barbie

I think this is Muirhead Avenue.


Arundel Avenue, Wavertree 1930s and 2014.



Central Hotel, Ranelagh Street, 1900s and 2014


Dale Street, 1960s and 2014
MOJO

Good pic's, Barbie! Like the Pye st. one!
Barbie

I do too because I've seen Pye street quite a few times on the net but never as to what it is like today.
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Re: Then and now

[quote="Barbie:49009"]A new thread specially for the thens and nows.


100a Picton Road, Wavertree, 1910s and 2014





These are really great Barbie, Ta for sharing them  
q38

Taking the first one first,, as one does....,,,,well I did do Sums in skool yaknow ......but not Engklish. Wink

I wonder why it is 100a, and not 102 ? , the 'a' is generally, but admittedly not always ,reserved for flats above isnt it .
Did you also focus in on the Newspaper poster, its describing a Gas Tragedy in Woolton...or is it A Cab tragedy ?
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Arrrrh, I've found out why the numbering is like that.... Ill Pm the regular posters with my findings .. Wink
Razz
Barbie

Non of them are my photos Beeb. I found them on a facebook group, the person who posted them doesn't mind them being shared.

I'll get to the pm in a few.... Wink
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Re: Then and now

Barbie Quote  :  I'll get to the pm in a few...Wink


Wink ...... I wonder if the Coffee House is in brick finish in that first Pic, maybe earlier photos, if found, would show it more clearly.

Woolton Village....no date for first pic,
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Pye Street, Wavertree, 1934 and 2014
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In this comparison there is Not much changed on the right hand side but the left hand side is totally altered with the new Tesco store occupying the site.

It looks like the original Stone Sets are still there ,but mostly covered by the Tarmac...
Barbie

Fantastic shot Beeb, did you take it? Wavertree is full of little streets like this, the old cobbles fighting their way through the inferior tarmac.
I didn't realise until you mentioned Tesco just where Pye Street is/was.....
Thanks!
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You are spot on about the amount of cobbled streets still visible around there Barbie.. The pic isnt mine, I contacted Mr Google for it in order to get a closer look at it.
Barbie

St John's Lane, 1979 and 2014


Summer Seat, Vauxhall, 1910s and 2014
Alice

Barbie wrote:
St John's Lane, 1979 and 2014


Summer Seat, Vauxhall, 1910s and 2014


Any idea what that building housed in St. John's Lane, in both years?
Barbie

Alice it is up to not long ago a chinese restaurant called Tso's. I think it still is, though I think other floors are rented by something else. I'll have to check.
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Thanks for more of these Barbie , its interesting spotting the changes through time, although not an waful lot has changed in these two, they are still instantly recogniseable aren't they. I admire the photographer of the 'Now' shots for his/ he accuracy in lining up the shot so precisley true to the original
Barbie

Commutation Row, 1880 and 2014


No date for the before pic sorry.


Marlfield Road, West Derby, 1900s and 2014
MOJO

Alice wrote:
Barbie wrote:
St John's Lane, 1979 and 2014


Summer Seat, Vauxhall, 1910s and 2014


Any idea what that building housed in St. John's Lane, in both years?


In the 1979 pic' it's about to be converted to a pub, "Rockford's", but what it was previously, I don't know, though it may possibly have been part of "Pearl Assurance" who's offices were next door, and which are also now, a pub "Dr. Duncan's" !
                                 Good t&n pic's Barbie!
Barbie

Ah yes, Rockfords....I know the name now. Ta!
The guy who has done these now and then is so spot on.
He doesn't mind my nicking and sharing them either.  Very Happy
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[quote="Barbie:49931"]Commutation Row, 1880 and 2014



The County Sessions House building yet to be built in the 1880 shot, but 2 or 3 years later it would arrive to complete the William Brown St-Islington . Frontage we know today.

Not too sure why the fella who did these great comparisons has chosen to title it Commutation Row, though.  . I know it can be seen in the distance but wouldnt St Georges Plateau be a more accurate Title....Excellent work all the same.
Barbie

That's quite true Beeb....soft me just posts as I get, but you are right.
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No date for the before pic sorry.



The old Goree warehouses still in situ in the 'Then' pic. so too is the 'Ovee'... The' Ovee' got dismantled about 1957 so thats a starting point to work back from, in order to date the pic,,,,If the date of demolition of The Goree warehouse , which were damaged in WW2, is compared to it then a pretty acurate 1950s date will probably be able to be put on the pic......Not asked Mr Google the date of demolition of the Goree warehouse yet, thats why I'm babbling on a bit      Razz
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found it ! the top pic is 1947
Barbie

Muchus grassyarse....
Barbie

Speke Hall in the 40s and then 2014


Shaw Street, Everton, 1900s and 2014


no 8 High st
Lizzie

Fabulous then and now pics......
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Yet again, these are excellent Barbie, Ta for sharing them.

70 years time difference between the 2 Speke Hall shots yet , thankfully ,very little noticeable difference apart from the growth of the trees and Shrubbert

In the second shot of Shaw Street , the Facade of  the Magnificent' Castle-Like 'former Liverpool Collegiate School is , again ,thankfully,only slightly altered too ,yet inside is totally rebuilt as Apartments,,,,,This building's exterior was designed by Harvey Lonsdale Elmes,,, his other project at the time of construction in the 1840s was no other than our Jewel in The Crown, St Georges Hall.

The High St Shop is fairly unchanged at 1st floor level,,,I am wondering what that shop traded as in the earlier shot as its windows appear closed off by  what looks like Blinds or Curtains.. Any ideas ?
Barbie

Rocky Lane, Tuebrook 1967 in 2014


No date for top one, bottom one is 2014


Russian Drive, Tuebrook, 1905 and 2014
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[quote="Barbie:50434"]Rocky Lane, Tuebrook 1967 in 2014


The two things that stand out for me on the 'Then' pic of the first set Barbie is the complete absence of Security Shutters on the shops plus the fact that Rocky Lane is still to be widened to a dual carriageway... Ta for sharing these.
Barbie

Looks like the 2014 was taken on a sunday.
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No date for top one, bottom one is 2014


What a magnificent looking pub that must have been in its hey Day, another with the same name once stood on the other side of the road from it too

Meresytravel paid £100,000 of public money to the owners of this pub as it stands on the ,now scrapped, proposed route of the Merseytram System.  The last I heard was it was to be sold to a developer for just £18,000
Evil or Very Mad
Barbie

Yes, I remember there were two Gregsons Wells. Any info on why they had that name?
Been told that photo was taken in the 80s, I rather guessed it was.
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The Gregsons Well Pubs derive their name from a Mansion that once stood at the Low Hill end of Everton Rd roughly opposite Grant Gardens. The Mansion belonging to a Merchant a Mr Gregson had a Well in front of it supplying water to locals residing in the area .

Here is a view looking up Brunswick Rd showing both Gregsons Well Pubs


Barbie

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that.
That's a good pic, the Road is just starting to go into dilapidation there innit?
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Yes, its the end of the Road [pardon the pun], for the community that once thrived in what is now a bland multi-laned highway and Industrial site...
Looking a bit beyond Brunswick road and over and beyond its West Derby rd junction. a whole lot has changed there too.
I think that bush lined roadway island is showing the underground toilets that once stood there in front of the Hippodrome picture house.
Grant Gardens appears to be in pretty good condition including a Bandstand still in place.
Beyond the boundary walls of Grant Gardens I'm very interested in the tall brick built Chimney and what looks like a Watch Tower from Colditz, which  I'm guessing is presumeably  some sort of water Tower somewhere about Mill Lane, I would love to know more about their former uses.
Alice

brainbox wrote:
The Gregsons Well Pubs derive their name from a Mansion that once stood at the Low Hill end of Everton Rd roughly opposite Grant Gardens. The Mansion belonging to a Merchant a Mr Gregson had a Well in front of it supplying water to locals residing in the area .

Here is a view looking up Brunswick Rd showing both Gregsons Well Pubs




B.B. are those two pubs still there?
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The one on the left is long gone Alice, and the one on the right is practically gone and soon will be completely gone.
If you wind back to the previous page you can see the Pics of it 'Now' & Then' that Barbie has provided.
Barbie

Mill Lane, West Derby, 1960 and 2014
Barbie

Dale Street, 1970s and 2014



Basnett Street, 1960s and 2014
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Thanks for these Barbie,, When there is no traffic about,Mill lane still looks quite rural even now doesnt it.

..on the Dale St/ Flyover one, do you think the large column in the 'Then' pic is the Marble Column that was trashed  sometiome in the late '60s ?

in the Bassnet St one,, are my eyes seeing it wrongly, or has the old George Henry Lee building gained a new additional entrance  now that this portion of it has become a Poundland ?
Barbie

brainbox wrote:
Thanks for these Barbie,, When there is no traffic about,Mill lane still looks quite rural even now doesnt it.

..on the Dale St/ Flyover one, do you think the large column in the 'Then' pic is the Marble Column that was trashed  sometiome in the late '60s ?

in the Bassnet St one,, are my eyes seeing it wrongly, or has the old George Henry Lee building gained a new additional entrance  now that this portion of it has become a Poundland ?


Anybody know the churches histories on Mill Lane?

Yes, that is the column which we trashed and Birkenhead kept. We were mad!
And yes, poundland has a new doorway me thinks.
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some basic stuff on here Barbie...

http://www.achurchnearyou.com/west-derby-st-james/



and here is a very interesting article

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ne...nia-war-memorial-restored-3438104

About the memorial

The memorial is located in the Grade II listed St James' Church, West Derby, Liverpool and is a mosaic of stained glass with a visual illusion of three-dimensional depth constructed in the ‘opus sectile’ technique. It is a complex scene; the principal depiction is a stone cenotaph resting on a two-stepped base. The central panel is styled as a roll of honour and is flanked by three-tiered columns. Surmounting the central panel is a top panel that is split by an arched inscribed scroll. Below the scroll is the image of a young female face with shroud that portrays the impression of mourning. Above the scroll is a shield bearing the Royal Arms of Great Britain and above this is the Royal Air Force crest. Left and right of the cenotaph are a soldier and sailor in First World War era uniform at ceremonial rest with reversed arms (rifle muzzle resting on the foot and hands resting on the shoulder plate of the stock) and heads bowed. Above the soldier is a shield bearing the Merchant Navy ensign and above the sailor is a shield bearing the Royal Navy ensign. Below this scene is a vignette of the four-stacked RMS Lusitania at sea (the Cunard passenger ship whose next port of call was Liverpool, sunk off the coast of Ireland in 1915 by German U-boat with the loss of over 1,100 lives), under which is an inscription panel, and flanking both are reversed swords. The mosaic is set in a sandstone surround, the sill of which is inscribed. The stained glass panel is dedicated to World War I and the stone surround is for World War II.
Barbie

Ah grassy arse.....great link! Thanks.
brainbox

You are welcome Barbie.
I wonder if encasing WW1 Commemorative Plaques etc ,in a Sandstone Surround , to include a tribute to the fallen of WW2 was carried out on others apart from this one ?
Barbie

Church Street 1982 and 2014


Lime Street Station, 1890s and 2014


Lord Street, 1947 and 2014
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[quote="Barbie:52218"]Church Street 1982 and 2014


Good comparisons again Ta.

Pic No.1
The thing that intersts me most when comparing the 'Now & the Then pics is the realisation that the big clock is quite a modern addition to that ornate facade.  Clocks of that size and design are seen in lots of locations around the city in old pics , but, apart from this one ,I cant think of anywhere else that has recieved one in recent times can you ?
Barbie

Very true mate, I can't think of any clock anywhere, non mentioned anyway.
Barbie

Liver Building, 1950s and 2014


London Road, 1908 and 2014


Mathew Street, 1981 and 2014

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Lime Street Station, 1890s and 2014


What a shame such a wonderful structure was hidden from generations of Liverpool people and its millions of visitors.The windows look to have been altered over time too
The new frontage c/w steps looks fantastic and complements ,perfectly the steps of St Georges Hall facing it. Even the difficult architectural challenge of fitting into the vista a disabled access lift was treated sympathetically and looks fine.

Well done all inolved in this.
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Lord Street, 1947 and 2014
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Some interesting names there, I'm wondering exactly what business they carried on in their respective premises.. The object sticking out of the Wallis building is strange and in the' Now 'pic there doesnt seem to be any evidence of where it was fixed to the tilework, if its been repaired after the object was removed than it looks like they did a good job of it
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[quote="Barbie:52235"]Liver Building, 1950s and 2014



A lot of character and romance was lost when they did away with the old Pier Head layout including the Bus Terminus, but The Powers that be have to be congratulated on the fantastic vista that is to beheld if visiting the area nowadays , it is so modern ,yet doesnt impinge one  iota on the Magnificent Edwardian waterfront buildiings overlooking it..  I refuse to call them ; The Three Graces', That is pure Yuppie talk and they never were called that until the 1990s
Barbie

brainbox wrote:
Lord Street, 1947 and 2014


Some interesting names there, I'm wondering exactly what business they carried on in their respective premises.. The object sticking out of the Wallis building is strange and in the' Now 'pic there doesnt seem to be any evidence of where it was fixed to the tilework, if its been repaired after the object was removed than it looks like they did a good job of it[/quote]You can the repair of you look closey, not that I noticed until you mentioned it!
What about the building with The Times on it! Wasn't printed here was it?
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Oh yeh I can see it now Barbie, Ta.
Wasnt The Times A furnidhing Store ? dunno for sure but got a feeling it was... I can check up on that.
Barbie

It's written the same as the newspaper's.....strange!

And here is.....Sir Arthur Bower Forwood then and now.... Razz


Barbie

Breck Road, Anfield, 1915 and 2013


18 Townsend Lane, Anfield, 1930s and 2013
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[quote="Barbie:52309"]Breck Road, Anfield, 1915 and 2013



Top photo  shows an example of some of the damage suffered to property run by anyone with German links or even a German sounding name, following the sinking of The Lusitania by a German U-boat in May1915
Barbie

Thanks Beeb, I meant to write that and forgot. You'd scarcely think it was the same building.
Barbie

St John's Park.


Caird Street, Everton, 1905 and 2013
brainbox

Barbie wrote:
brainbox wrote:
Lord Street, 1947 and 2014


Some interesting names there, I'm wondering exactly what business they carried on in their respective premises.. The object sticking out of the Wallis building is strange and in the' Now 'pic there doesnt seem to be any evidence of where it was fixed to the tilework, if its been repaired after the object was removed than it looks like they did a good job of it
You can the repair of you look closey, not that I noticed until you mentioned it!
What about the building with The Times on it! Wasn't printed here was it?[/quote]

..just coming back to this one , for a minute Barbie  and if magnified the lettering on the front of that shop can be interpreted as saying 'The Times Furnishing Co Ltd'
Barbie

Right! But would you agree the way they have had the The Times made it may  have been to perhaps attract a more 'upper crust' sort of customer?
(Upper crust me ar*e)
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[quote="Barbie:52372"]St John's Park.


I think the scaffolding erected around the granite lighting becon at what would become the Mersey Tunnel entrance, dates this pic nicely
What a great compaerison of the growth in the trees within the gardens ,, in the earlier pic they are mere saplings.
Barbie

Yes Beeb, it's brilliant isn't it?
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Caird Street, Everton, 1905 and 2013
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I've driven up and down that Street lots of times, and cant make out why it is such a steep incline up from West derby Rd, I know its not the case ,but its almost as if its a bridge over a Canal or railway line...very strange !
Barbie

I have no idea about it. I just looked on google maps at it and it doesnt seem to look steep on there.
Barbie

Old Hall Street, 1930 and 2012


Dock Road, 1956 and 2013
Lucy-in-the-skyxxx

.......Steble Fountain in William Brown Street -  
THEN and NOW



Lizzie

Barbie your Old Hall Street pic 1930 is just how I remember it..... Wink  Laughing

Went down there last year some time and could not believe how it has changed..... used to walk along it from the Northern Hospital to get into town..there used to be a little shop that sold 78's.......hands up who remembers them.....for about 20p.....my sis had given me her old record player and every pay day I used to buy a couple of records......
Barbie

Lizzie wrote:
Barbie your Old Hall Street pic 1930 is just how I remember it..... Wink  Laughing
Behave!!!!!!



Went down there last year some time and could not believe how it has changed..... used to walk along it from the Northern Hospital to get into town..there used to be a little shop that sold 78's.......hands up who remembers them.....for about 20p.....my sis had given me her old record player and every pay day I used to buy a couple of records......
Laughing
Lucy-in-the-skyxxx

THEN AND NOW................WATER STREET - 1902 and 2015

Barbie

Nice comparison pic Lucy

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